ObamaCare…

FACT CHECK: Premiums would rise under Obama plan

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer.

WASHINGTON – Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but check the fine print.

Premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases would level off with time. But don’t look for a rollback. Instead, the main reason premiums would be more affordable is that new government tax credits would help cover the cost for millions of people.

Listening to Obama pitch his plan, you might not realize that’s how it works.

Visiting a Cleveland suburb this week, the president described how individuals and small businesses will be able to buy coverage in a new kind of health insurance marketplace, gaining the same strength in numbers that federal employees have.

“You’ll be able to buy in, or a small business will be able to buy into this pool,” Obama said. “And that will lower rates, it’s estimated, by up to 14 to 20 percent over what you’re currently getting. That’s money out of pocket.”

And that’s not all.

Obama asked his audience for a show of hands from people with employer-provided coverage, what most Americans have.

“Your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent,” said the president, “which means they could give you a raise.”

A White House press spokesman later said the president misspoke; he had meant to say annual premiums would drop by $3,000.

It could be a long wait.

“There’s no question premiums are still going to keep going up,” said Larry Levitt of the Kaiser Family Foundation, a research clearinghouse on the health care system. “There are pieces of reform that will hopefully keep them from going up as fast. But it would be miraculous if premiums actually went down relative to where they are today.”

The statistics Obama based his claims on come from two sources. In both cases, the caveats got left out.

A report for the Business Roundtable, an association of big company CEOs, was the source for the claim that employers could save $3,000 per worker on health care costs, the White House said.

Issued in November, the report looked generally at proposals that Democrats were considering to curb health care costs, concluding they had the potential to significantly reduce future increases.

But the analysis didn’t consider specific legislation, much less the final language being tweaked this week. It’s unclear to what degree the bill that the House is expected to vote on within days would reduce costs for employers.

An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office of earlier Senate legislation suggested savings could be fairly modest.

It found that large employers would see premium savings of at most 3 percent compared with what their costs would have been without the legislation. That would be more like a few hundred dollars instead of several thousand.

The claim that people buying coverage individually would save 14 percent to 20 percent comes from the same budget office report, prepared in November for Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind. But the presidential sound bite fails to convey the full picture.The budget office concluded that premiums for people buying their own coverage would go up by an average of 10 percent to 13 percent, compared with the levels they’d reach without the legislation. That’s mainly because policies in the individual insurance market would provide more comprehensive benefits than they do today.For most households, those added costs would be more than offset by the tax credits provided under the bill, and they would pay significantly less than they have to now.The premium reduction of 14 percent to 20 percent that Obama cites would apply only to a portion of the people buying coverage on their own — those who decide they want to keep the skimpier kinds of policies available today.Their costs would go down because more young people would be joining the risk pool and because insurance company overhead costs would be lower in the more efficient system Obama wants to create.The president usually alludes to that distinction in his health care stump speech, saying the savings would accrue to those people who continue to buy “comparable” coverage to what they have today.But many of his listeners may not pick up on it.”People are likely to not buy the same low-value policies they are buying now,” said health economist Len Nichols of George Mason University. “If they did buy the same value plans … the premium would be lower than it is now. This makes the White House statement true. But is it possibly misleading for some people? Sure.”

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Why are there so few chronologically young on this site?


y2kdon- Here’s all of Armstrongs New/ Old Articles

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Fully

How old is an old geezer to you? Might I ask how old you might be? BTW,  how you take care of yourself, (health, exercise, keeping your mind active) actually determines your longevity and “real age”.

Sorry will go to bed after this

My Last post,,,,Idaho opt out ,,,Read some of the comments at the bottom of the link from yahoo news,, some made my blood boil ,,, Thar went me sweet Dreams

FGC (23:01) Your 1940’s guess is close, but I was born in 1936.

I’m still waiting for your poll to show at least one entry born in the 1920’s from someone who studied chemistry in college 60 years ago.
Cheers. Equiz.

Another link to idaho opt out of health care by the Feds

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I’m I gettin over excited here,,,Timein could’nt be better,, Similar Legislation pending in 37 States!!!!!!!!!! Wow,,,Sweet Dreams everyone

Walter E Williams on the Census (US)

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PM Fever…something tells me we are gonna pay for this

…I’m gonna catch some zzzzzzzzzzzs….good luck

PMF..

:)

Waiting for Frosty to vote…with all his great experience I’m thinking 1940s…

…yes Census….this is the Common Census…The Earlier you were born the most Common Census you got !

Idaho is Showin The Way

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Idaho Keeps This Up ,,,We’ll all have to Migrate north ,,, Don’t Want Them Startin A Revolution With out me,,, Yep Time to start separatin the Wheat from da tares

Bunch of Old Geezers eh ?

….we need to get some young blood in here

:)

Equiz…let me guess …?

….1940s ?

Hello…before the 1920s …?

….Do you remember the Great Depression…?

….I SAID..DO YOU REMEMBER THE GREAT DEPRESSION !!?

Gawd, you can concoct a poll at a flash. I voted.


Come and Vote Vote Vote …the Equiz Poll

….Equiz …you go first so we all know how old you are

:)

FGC, personally I’m in the present decade and the present month and the present week - even the present day - as far as this laggard PM market is concerned. Cheers.


Equiz…you inspired a new poll….What Decade are you in ?


Deadeye (17:37) I congratulate you on being the first to suggest on Goldtent that

you are into your Golden 80’s, because I dont think there are many Goldtenters adept at computer things and adept at posting etc. when they are in their 80″s. Congrats. And may you have many more years at doing it. p.s. please correct me if I am wrong but I got the 80+ milestone for you from your 17:37 comment that you learned college chemistry 60 years ago, and I just added on the assumption that you might have been around 20 when you were studying college chemistry. Based on your Goldtent postings, I’m pleased you took up geology instead of chemistry because I have certainly appreciated your geology-related postings. Cheers. Equiz.

A great Slider article on gold

Remember the old saying: “As GM goes, so goes America?”

We’ll here’s a new one: “As China goes, so goes Gold stocks.”

Gold and PM stocks trade off a wide variety of catalysts,
correlations, and causations.

– the US Dollar
– the Inflation Rate
– Money Supply
– Interest Rates
– Geopolitical Risk
– Bond Markets
– Stock Markets
– the Price of Oil
And any number of stories du jour.

Right now - that story is China. With Europe and America
mired in economic quicksand, all eyes are on China. Is
China still growing? Is China still buying commodities?
Is China a bubble? Is America trying to start a trade war
with China? Will China buy the next tranche of IMF gold?

And right now, the China FXI/HUI Gold trend is our friend…

Key resistance is USD 85. A breakout above USD 85 will
end the Dollar’s downtrend.

With old resistance of $1,000 gold now holding as new
support, Q1 earnings for most miners should be outstanding.

As I mentioned earlier, I liked buying this retracement
from January into February, as the HUI was very cheap
to gold, and it set’s up nicely for strong March to May
seasonals, backed by what should be strong earnings.

Keep an eye on the dollar, and an ear tuned to the China
story, and let ‘em continue run. The HUI/FXI trend is
still our friend. [For all the charts click on the link below]

siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26389958

Ron Paul …needs our help

Congressman Ron Paul

Dear Friend,

My son Rand is running a great campaign in Kentucky. Through hard work and your support, he is winning! We have a real chance to send the most principled, limited government leader to the United States Senate in a generation.

But now, he needs you more than ever.

The big government establishment has turned on their fundraising machine to try and defeat Rand. According to media reports, Rand’s challenger has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past several weeks. The sources? Disgusting! PAC’s, special interests and the banking industry - all of whom are opening up their wallets for Rand’s opponent.

Remember when AIG took billions of taxpayer bailout dollars not once, but twice? Well, I have it on good information that AIG’s chief lobbyist just held a high dollar, big money fundraiser for Rand’s rival. I am sure you can figure out why.

Rand has shrewdly purchased all the television airtime he needs from mid-April through his May 18th Primary. The commercials are produced, the voter data is being assembled and a tremendous turnout machine is being put in place.

Rand’s career politician opponent is lashing out - he has turned on an attack machine of vicious distortions and outright lies. Rand is working hard to knock them back and fight for our principles.

But, Rand does not have enough money to stay on TV and fight off the establishments smear tactics over the next few weeks. Unless he gets a substantial infusion of cash, he will not be able to purchase airtime from March 24 through mid April. And with all of his opponent’s lies and fear mongering, he needs your help to stay on Kentucky statewide television during this critical time.

On Tuesday, March 23, the grassroots have organized a Money Bomb for Rand. If we have a successful day, Rand will be able to purchase the airtime he needs for the next few weeks and fund the last several mail pieces he will need down the stretch. You can donate directly at Rand’s website, www.RandPaul2010.com.

We need you more than ever. I dearly hope I can count on your support. We have a tremendous opportunity, and if we come together on March 23, I know we can win.

In Liberty,

Ron Paul

P.S. Please view this video Rand’s team out together, and forward it to your friends and family. Every single person’s contribution counts, and anything you can do to spread the message is greatly appreciated!

www.randpaul2010.com/

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For Those workin on somtin Big

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Don’t Never Give Up!!! Enjoy the Jouney!!

Geotrader

thanks.   found some good stuff but not the article I was looking for.

when I click on the old link, it says the article was deleted.  Thats why I was wondering if anyone had downloaded it.

Adam Brochert [ Inchin Closer to Gold Explosion]

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