Oldlurker

I would like to respectfully respond to your post to Silverboom @ 15.35 ,

Your argument of conecting the beliefs during the Middle ages and Kings with what the Founders invisioned as God Given Rights is off base. Whether or not you believe our rights are directly given to us from god is beside the point. The fact is that there are certain principles of freedom that all men are endowed with that should not be infringed. One is that Governments should not be allowed to force its subjects of the producing class to provide more and greater benifits for the majority voting class ..That is the definition of a Democracy… Which we were never ment to be, but have become .We were established as a Republic,, Which Value’s Individual Rights along with the collective rights
So, we come to the question whether or not the Government can create rights,, The Masses love the Government to be able to Dream up such Noble Rights,,, as the right of health care. Of coarse this is usaully at the expence of OPM [other peoples money] can you name one government program that is not being subsidized with OPM? Should Rights be created with back room deals and with out binding votes by the Repesentatives? As far as women and Blacks the rights given them after a time were deemd Constitutional, So that worn out evolving peice of paper did and should of had the final say.
Most of the issues that you mention that are wrong with our current health care setup could be solved without big Government Take over plans,,,Yes and there will always be some that fall though the Cracks,, A major part of individual health is a choice that is decided on each and every day of life by what you eat,, what drugs you take ,the abortions you have and what occupation you choose. It is and should not be a collective responciblity.
The right to life that the founders Talk about,, They would of never dreamed of allowing an over reaching over spending Federal Government That already has welfare programs where only 1 out of 3 dollars reach the people that need it,,
Government Is The Problem Not the Answer

Big Government Loves when the subjects give up freedom and independance for security,,, it makes them Indispencible

There’s Got to be another way to solve the problems with our health care!!!!!!

Please forgive my spelling [ could ‘nt find the spell check]

Next stop: free gas

Can you believe this — must be close to a capitulation:

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Ferret @ 16:54

You strike strong points….I suppose Chemo finally turned me off…that plus visits to doctors that bore no resemblence  to doctors I knew as a younger person. It’s a racket run by Big Pharma.

(Equiz)you are a student of my connect the dots school

Let me tell you my story about computers. In the early 60s, Delta Drilling was the largest drilling company in the world with 105 drilling rigs all over the world. They had a computer that took up an entire 30 x 20 foot room. Had a show windon so the public could see it. In the 60s my head secretary talked me into buying her a computer for $6500 and the software was $6,000. Had less memory than I had. I was forced to learn how to get things out of it that I needed, sometimes in the middle of the night or weekends so I took a college DOS coarse, this was before windows. About then I was in Ross Perot’s office and he did not have a computer in his personal office - said a secretary could get anything he needed.

Computers have made finding old written data easier as well as making maps, cross sections etc. However they have destroyed out of the box thinking and original thinking for major company people and management by the models that their computers follow. garbage in = garbage out.
An example: In the 80s Exxon called and said they had a prospect that they wanted me to look at and I could have first shot at drilling it if I liked it. I went in and looked at it and a geologist gave a beautiful computer presentation. He had a song and dance that they did not have domestic drilling money to drill what he said was his favorite prospect in the Conroe field no less. Sounds fishy doesn’t it? I asked to see the original seismic records that the fancy computer sketches were basesd on, I was appailed - it was pure garbage. I would have shorted the prospect if I could and bet my reputation that it would be a dry hole. Someone else drilled it and it was dry. Garbage in = garbage out. Many executives are not able to evaluate prospects presented on computers today. Deadeye

Health care? Do you really think that the other 32 industrialised countries offer health care?

So why is everyone so sick?  The fact is that so-called “conventional” health care does not cure.  I say so-called, because it does not follow any convention.  Depending upon the specialist you see, you will be advised to cut, radiate, poison, boost, palliate or otherwise suppress to remove your symptoms.  See six specialists, get six completely different opinions.  None will cure.  All that happens is that the patient is even worse down the track, and needs further treatment.

In the mid nineteenth century about a quarter of all doctors in the US were homoeopaths.  This was an anathema to the drug companies, because they didn’t use “conventional” medicines, which were very profitable.  So the AMA was created, with funding from the drug companies, to eliminate such quackeries.  This practice started in Germany in 1790 when the pharmaceutical guild in Cotzen drove the founder of homoeopathy out of town for the same reason, and continues today with its campaigns to restrict the practices of osteopaths and chiropractors as far as possible - two areas which also do not use drugs.  It also defends the “compassionate” use of animals for drug research purposes.

So take a look at who is really behind the health “care” bill.  After all, if you have compulsorily paid for it, and fall sick, you are more likely to run to the local quack to get some drugs rather than sit it out - ‘cos it’s free!  Like a small dint in the car; if you are not insured, the dint adds character, if you are, you’ll get it fixed.

The way things are/want them to be

First off, let me say that I am 100% invested in gold and in gold stocks.  Total and complete.  Have been for years.  The thing is, I’m not a gold bug in the sense that I don’t believe in some mystical power of gold.  (Although, I have to say that, when I hold gold in my hands, it feels substantial and even primordial, far different than holding anything made of paper!)  I believe that gold is the right asset class for this time and place, and it’s the safest bet going forward.  I’ve felt that way for years.

In general, I despise the US gov’t.  Of course there are some things that I love about it.  But, as so many folks on this board mention all the time, when the gov’t gets its hands into anything, they tend to screw it up because there’s no incentive, no competition.  So, some lazy-arse gov’t agency that doesn’t give a fishstick usually screws something up.  On the other hand, sometimes gov’t and laws get things really right.  I’ll give you a simple example of a good law–the traffic lights in any city.  Those are little laws telling you when to stop and go.  Ever been in a big city when a traffic light goes out, and it’s up to drivers to figure out when to stop and go?  Huge traffic jam!  Without traffic lights, it would take HOURS to go from one city of a bustling city to the other.  Traffic lights are great–they save me time and are very clear.  That’s a great little Red,Yellow, and Green lawmaker there.  And that’s a small example of how I can get across town in 15 minutes as opposed to 3 hrs with a good law.

In a great world, the US would offer healthcare to all.  That seems like a good law to me.  I also think that some folks are way too rich and have too much money while other folks are so poor, they can’t feed themselves.  Many poor folks or folks with troubles grew up in broken homes, or in foster homes, many were sexually abused when they were young, many had horrible horrible lives when they were just little guys, just kids or even toddlers.  I know too much about this because that’s what my wife does for her profession, she helps little kids of age 4 or 5 or 6 that were abused or beaten or received some horrible trauma like watching their mommy get shot to death and then holding her hand, etc. etc.  Those little guys don’t get a square deal.  They start their  lives with so much stacked against them.  In the country of my imagining, there wouldn’t be rich billionairesses leaving billions to their poodle while there are small children not getting enough to eat or not getting  love or attention.

But, yes, I agree with Florida, Samba and others that the Healthcare bill in its current form and with the current deficits of the US is total BS.  Obviously it needs to be simple and everyone needs to be on board.  And, of course, we can’t afford it right now.  The US is the biggest debtor nation in the HISTORY OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE!  It’s hard to imagine a country having more debt and getting away with it (and we all know why the US is allowed to do so: $ as reserve currency).  Well, isn’t that why we’re all investing in gold?

We have so many problems in this country that, on most levels, I don’t give a rat’s behind whether the heathcare bill passes or not.  We’re $40 or 50 trillion in debt!  We’ve got HUGE hyperinflation, Weimar- and Zimbabwe-type problems down the road, so why add more fuel to the fire?  But, on the other hand, at this point can you add more fuel to fire?  Maybe Universal Heathcare will be a first step toward something more significant in the future.

So what I’m saying is that there is a vision of the US that I have and would like to see, and then there is the US as it is now.  And in my vision of the US, everyone enjoys healthcare.  But, yes, I’m also a realist–(or I wouldn’t be 100% in gold and gold mining stocks)–so, what can I do?  I don’t see how the US is going to get out of this one.  I think there are going to be wars and terrible social problems, and civil disobedience.  And I certainly think that Americans are going to point fingers at other Americans and call them “non patriots” or “not true Americans.”  Etc.  Etc.  That’s the same shit Hitler did in Weimar.

FTS @ 16:27

Yes, you are correct. Equis is not alone and there is a serious question regarding Global Warming.   Sometimes in this mad max mind of my thinking…I ask myself a question, one which is never asked…..What if Global Warming is very real but, also in the long term,   very beneficial?

Samb @ 16:07 pm on March 18, 2010

Samb,

Equiz is not alone in the tent.  Some folks just are not fond of arguing, like me.  I wish I had an answer, but i don’t.  If there was an easy answer it would be self evident.

Breeze @ 16:19

Holy One…Your examples and referenced posts are illuminating!

think twice

It is not helpful to use sarcasm, ridicule, namecalling and other put-downs to other folks simply because their opinion does not reinforce yours.

Why do we continue to behave like the more obnoxious 10 year olds?

Equis

I’ll go with you…How about 100%.      Global warming …man made. OK? Now, somebody on the Tent agrees with you on this theory.

So, now what, in your view?  Do we shut everything down?  Do we just go with Al Gore? Do we try to do just a bit better and leave the final answer to the Creator? (Know that you don’t believe in a Creator, but, I asked the question anyway.) 

I’m with you, ok?  Global Warming is here now and increasing….Now what do we do?  The question that you seem never able to respond to…arises again.

Personally, I leave things out of my control up to the Lord. However, since you know better, …please tell us your solution. Inquiring minds would like to know.

Old lurker

Is a statist.  No point in arguing.

Equiz

Go take a walk with the old lurker.  I know you are a very wealthy canadian maybe you could help us poor smucks in the US by sending us a few loonies.  BTW if you are interested here is something just for you.

www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/2/27_Lord_Christopher_Monckton.html

Turn your eyes to the East and behold the Apocalypse that beats a path to your door. It will destroy everything you hold dear and it will not stop until your last gasp of breath. These are the Days of Woe and there is no stopping the rape and pillage of the West. There will be no mercy for those who tarry. All will be put to the sword. Gather your loved ones and make plans to exit the Cities. The days grow short. Hide your gold well. Tell no one where you have hidden it. May fortune smile upon you on your journey through the Abyss.

Spock

Silverboom

I appreciate your post and thank you for sharing your opinions.  You’ve made several points, and I’d like to discuss two of them.

First, you wrote, “Rights are not granted by man, but by our Creator. The role of government is to protect the God-given rights of man from encroachment or violation by anyone, and especially by government itself. This may not apply in your country, but it is foundational to the U.S. ”

During the Middle Ages and up until the Enlightenment in Europe, it was generally believed that God also gave power to man, and that the social and religious system existed as it did because of God’s will.  So, the general belief then was that Kings ruled by divine right, that is, because God wanted them to be rulers–why else would they be in a position to rule?  Their divine right was passed down to their sons, and their power was absolute.   Such was the general thinking in Europe about God–and this ideology was so universal that no one could even imagine the sort of democracy that the US now has.

But here in the US, many believe that God gives equal rights to all men, as written in the Declaration of Independence.  Later, Women received rights such as suffrage, and Blacks did as well.  The Constitution is an evolving document that hopefully grants more rights to more people as it evolves through time, because our founding fathers did not include all the groups that we now include who receive rights.

When Americans are granted life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, this is a phrase that must be considered in depth.  What is “life”?  What is the right to “life”?  I believe that, whatever else it may include, it should also include the right to being healthy, the right to receive some sort of care when one is ill, when one needs help, when one’s “life” is threatened by sickness.  I don’t think the right to “life” means that poor people must die alone without proper medical care while wealthier people can afford such care.  To me, the equal right to life means the equal right to health, the equal right to medicine, the equal right to proper care.  And is it not the governement that must protect the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

The second thing that you wrote which I’d like to discuss is: “Anyone who supports this kind of unconstitutional clap trap and the further consolidation of power in Washington and the accelerating loss of our rights as a free people cannot be called an American or a patriot.”  One could argue that anyone who would take away the American right to “life” — which, from my point of view, contains the idea that it is a healthly life with proper medical care–is going against the Declaration of Independence itself.  Thus, by your own argument, this would be “accelerating loss of our rights.”  Such a person would be arguing against proper medical care for all and thus the right to “life” for all.  Such a person, in effect, would be arguing for the right to “life” for only those who could afford it.  And this person, who thus has tried to limit  the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, by your own argument, “cannot be called an American or a patriot.”  Now, tell me.  How does it feel if I say to you that you “cannot be called an American or patriot” because of your opinions?

A postscript to the 15:19 posting. In British Columbia, and I expect elsewhere too

in mineral-rich western North America, exploration geologists who are aided by airborne remote sensing in their search for particular geological formations visible from the air, are now finding it easier to explore the earth’s surface where there has been widespread death of tree crowns that formerly masked the underlying landforms and geological formations. In a vast area surrounding Taseko’s mineral leases there are now large areas where trees dead from mountain pine beetle now allow airborne geopyhsical exploration to proceed where it was in the past hampered by the tree cover. Cheers. Equiz

The climate warming doubters on Goldtent have fallen silent in recent weeks, making

Goldtent less interesting to browse, so it seemed time to stir the pot a bit. Interesting review is posted below if anyone is curious about the subject. Cheers. Equiz.

www.e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2252

Moody’s fears social unrest

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7450468/Moodys-fears-social-unrest-as-AAA-states-implement-austerity-plans.html What I see here is that they are lookin for the Government subsidized Sheeple to be the ones that create the unrest,,, Like Greece,,, The Free Lunch Folks will take to the streets and demand that they be taken a care of

Richard Russell on the SM

Last evening after market close:
Late Notes — OK, today I got three important bull signals, the great tide of the stock market has turned to bullish on the three counts I’ve been waiting for. The Dow closed at 10733.70 — at last above the critical 10725 level. This is a new high for the Dow, and it means that the Dow has finally confirmed the new high for the move on the part of the Transports. A Dow Theory bull signal — the primary trend of the market is bullish. At the same time, the great arm of the Dow has swung back above the 50% level. The Dow is now back in the bull zone above 10725. At the same time there were 627 new 52-week highs on the NYSE, a new high-total and well above the 523 new highs of January 11. Breadth on the NYSE was up 21 to 9. Up volume on the NYSE was 67.4% of up + down volume. And all-around historic bullish day.

What am I personally going to do about it? Honestly, nothing. Stocks are generally overvalued in this area, and I explained why they are overvalued on yesterday’s site. Money is made in the buying, and if we buy here or own stocks here, the market is not priced for future profits over the next five to ten years. My PTI was up a full 8 today after being up 8 yesterday.

Thanks Raja at

http://www.voy.com/64855/

IRS to administer health care? From Sept.09

A sign identifies the Internal Revenue Service building on Constitution Avenue NW in Washington, D.C., Jan (Bloomberg: Dennis Brack) (Bloomberg)

There’s been a lot of discussion about the new and powerful federal agencies that would be created by the passage of a national health care bill. The Health Choices Administration, the Health Benefits Advisory Committee, the Health Insurance Exchange — there are dozens in all.

But if the plan envisioned by President Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats is enacted, the primary federal bureaucracy responsible for implementing and enforcing national health care will be an old and familiar one: the Internal Revenue Service. Under the Democrats’ health care proposals, the already powerful — and already feared — IRS would wield even more power and extend its reach even farther into the lives of ordinary Americans, and the presidentially-appointed head of the new health care bureaucracy would have access to confidential IRS information about millions of individual taxpayers.In short, health care reform, as currently envisioned by Democratic leaders, would be built on the foundation of an expanded and more intrusive IRS.Under the various proposals now on the table, the IRS would become the main agency for determining who has an “acceptable” health insurance plan; for finding and punishing those who don’t have such a plan; for subsidizing individual health insurance costs through the issuance of a tax credits; and for enforcing the rules on those who attempt to opt out, abuse, or game the system. A substantial portion of H.R. 3200, the House health care bill, is devoted to amending the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 in order to give the IRS the authority to perform these new duties.The Democrats’ plan would require all Americans to have “acceptable” insurance coverage (the legislation includes long and complex definitions of “acceptable”) and would designate the IRS as the agency charged with enforcing that requirement. On your yearly 1040 tax return, you would be required to attest that you have “acceptable” coverage. Of course, you might be lying, or simply confused about whether or not you are covered, so the IRS would need a way to check your claim for accuracy. Under current plans, insurers would be required to submit to the IRS something like the 1099 form in which taxpayers report outside income. The IRS would then check the information it receives from the insurers against what you have submitted on your tax form.

If it all matches up, you’re fine. If it doesn’t, you will hear from the IRS. And if you don’t have “acceptable” coverage, you will be subject to substantial fines — fines that will be administered by the IRS.

Under some versions of health reform now circulating on Capitol Hill, the IRS would also be intimately involved in how you pay for insurance. Everyone would be required to buy coverage. The millions of Americans who can’t afford it would receive a subsidy to pay for it. Under the version of the plan currently under negotiation in the Senate Finance Committee, that subsidy would come through the IRS in the form of a refundable tax credit. Under the House plan, the subsidy would come directly from the Health Choices Administration.

In either scenario, the IRS would be the key to making the system work. Before you could receive any subsidy, whether through the IRS or not, the Health Choices Administration would have to determine whether you are eligible for it. To do so, the bills under consideration would give the Health Choices Commissioner the authority to demand sensitive, confidential information from the IRS about individual taxpayers. The IRS would have to provide it.

Under current law, it is a felony for a government official to release taxpayer information in all but the most limited of circumstances. One such exception is for law enforcement; the IRS is allowed to give taxpayer information to prosecutors in criminal cases. The information can also, in some instances, be released to the Social Security Administration and the Veterans’ Administration for the determination of benefits. The health care bills would change the Internal Revenue Code to permit the IRS to give similar information to the vast, new health care bureaucracy.

That means the personal tax information of millions of Americans would enter the system whether they want it to or not. “There’s a mandate to buy insurance,” says one Republican House aide. “You have to buy it. You have millions of people who can’t buy it without a subsidy, so they will have no choice but to accept the subsidy in order to buy insurance, and then the Health Choices Commissioner will have access to their tax records.”

“How many hands would this information go through?” asks a GOP source in the Senate. “What are the quality controls? This increases the risk of misusing this information.”

Some versions of the bill even permit the release of confidential taxpayer information for decidedly less pressing reasons. In H.R. 3200, the IRS would be required to provide taxpayer information to the Social Security Administration for the purpose of helping Social Security officials find qualifying seniors who can then be encouraged to enroll in the prescription drug program. “There is no precedent for using taxpayer information for the purpose of identifying people to go out and advertise to them,” says the House expert.

So far, there has been little substantive public debate about the integral role of the IRS in nearly every aspect of the various national health care proposals. But people who are closely involved with the process are deeply concerned about what they view as a massive, and in some senses unprecedented, expansion of the Internal Revenue Service.First, they wonder whether the IRS can handle the new demands. “There is a sense at the IRS that their purpose is to collect revenue and not to implement all sorts of other programs,” says a second Senate GOP aide. “Also, the IRS isn’t necessarily great at doing what it does already. How is it going to determine whether 300 million people have health insurance?”

Second, they are concerned about anticipated abuse of the system. “You’re going to have lots of fraud,” says the House source. “People claiming lots of affordability credits or refundable tax credits. The IRS is not going to have the resources and expertise to police this stuff.”

Finally, there is a third concern, more fundamental than questions of whether the IRS can handle the job: Should the IRS be involved in health care enforcement in the first place? As seen in the town halls across the country in August, many Americans are concerned about the coercive nature of the proposed national health care system. Handing the IRS the power to monitor every American’s place in the system worries them even more.

An interview with Mexico Mike

goldseek

A requested repost–this is from the very great and wise Slider.

March 17, 2010, 10:28 pm
Remember the old saying: “As GM goes, so goes America?”

We’ll here’s a new one: “As China goes, so goes Gold stocks.”

Gold and PM stocks trade off a wide variety of catalysts,
correlations, and causations.

– the US Dollar
– the Inflation Rate
– Money Supply
– Interest Rates
– Geopolitical Risk
– Bond Markets
– Stock Markets
– the Price of Oil
And any number of stories du jour.

Right now – that story is China. With Europe and America
mired in economic quicksand, all eyes are on China. Is
China still growing? Is China still buying commodities?
Is China a bubble? Is America trying to start a trade war
with China? Will China buy the next tranche of IMF gold?

And right now, the China FXI/HUI Gold trend is our friend…

Key resistance is USD 85. A breakout above USD 85 will
end the Dollar’s downtrend.

With old resistance of $1,000 gold now holding as new
support, Q1 earnings for most miners should be outstanding.

As I mentioned earlier, I liked buying this retracement
from January into February, as the HUI was very cheap
to gold, and it set’s up nicely for strong March to May
seasonals, backed by what should be strong earnings.

Keep an eye on the dollar, and an ear tuned to the China
story, and let ‘em continue run. The HUI/FXI trend is
still our friend. [For all the charts click on the link below]

siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26389958

National Suicide

www.voiceamerica.com/voiceamerica/vepisode.aspx?aid=44852

Marc Faber

www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1444034931&play=1

thanks Hoka    mf.jpg

NEW YORK STATE PUT’S REFUNDS HOLD

The next Revolution will be about peoples Individual rights,,,, but will be implemented through the states rights movement,,,, Progressive Socialists are forcing Government expansion of Handouts while at the same time they can’t afford to return over collected tax dollars This An’t a gonna end well for the Progressives wcbstv.com/topstories/paterson.tax.refund.2.1569690.html